Dogcows Code - chaz/openbox/blob - DESIGN/plugins_vs_scripting.txt

   1 So I had a bit of a rant and thought I'd save it...
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   4 * xOr figures python wont last for ob4, but we'll see
   5 (xOr) since theres only so much you can do
   6 (xOr) and some added config files/c code can do it all
   7 (xOr) i mean, realisticly, how many people are going to make .py's
   8 (xOr) theyre going to ask me for a new feature
   9 (xOr) they wont write a py
  10 (xOr) so a clean and smart c kernel with sub modules of C code would
  11       probly be more optimal eventually
  12 (xOr) scripting was cool for gnus, but i wished i could just set it (mutt)
  13 (shrimpx) .so's would be cool in the absence of scripting, prolly
  14 (xOr) yea thats what im meaning
  15 (xOr) like engines, but for functions
  16 (xOr) so youd replace bbappconf witha .so that can interact properly
  17 (xOr) and you dont have to write all this crazy Python/c at all and you
  18       end up with something easier to configure
  19 (xOr) with less effort
  20 (@xOr) also less room for pregnancy [strong typing is good] with all C
  21 (@xOr) and less 'my python script wont load, tteach me python xor'
  22 (@xOr) what i figure would happen over slow evolution course is..
  23 (@xOr) python modules would be converted to python/c inline shit
  24 (shrimpx) xOr: you know that some wacko is going to embed python in an .so
  25 (@xOr) shrimpx: and itd probly be better
  26 (@xOr) shrimpx: cuz it would do less stuff
  27 (shrimpx) less stuff == less defensive programming against moron
  28           extension programmers
  29 (@xOr) yea
  30 (@xOr) and less to try learn to use it
  31 (@xOr) and less to screw up
  32 (@xOr)  and for instance, if we were to look at emacs, which is the
  33        probably most popular scripted application
  34 (@xOr) my .emacs is not crazy code
  35 (@xOr) its some keybindings
  36 (@xOr) and setting variables
  37 (shrimpx) yah but 99% of emacs functionality is in lisp
  38 (@xOr) ya
  39 (@xOr) but thats not a reason to use it
  40 (@xOr) or a reason why its good
  41 (@xOr) thats just the language of implementation
  42 (shrimpx) even tho it's not .rc
  43 (@xOr) its good because entensions are written in the same language as
  44        its implementation
  45 (@xOr) do vim plugins have access to the same amount of internals as
  46        emacs entensions?
  47 (shrimpx) no
  48 (@xOr) right
  49 (@xOr) this i think is why emacs is better than vim
  50 (@xOr) youcan write a crazy dope cvs.el
  51 (@xOr) you can write shell.el
  52 (@xOr) you cant do these with vim
  53 (@xOr) you can make hackish addons with keybindings
  54 (@xOr) so if openbox has .so plugins, its equally as good for exteding as
  55        with python extensions
  56 (@xOr) possibly better because you can access more